H. Approval of the purchase installation of Playground equipment for Charlton Pollard Park and Babe Zaharias Park from Kraftsman Commercial Playgrounds & Water Parks of Spring, TX.

[H. Approval of the purchase installation of Playground equipment for Charlton Pollard Park and Babe Zaharias Park from Kraftsman Commercial Playgrounds & Water Parks of Spring, TX.]

[I. Approval of the purchase and installation of Playground equipment for Combest Park and Central Park from GameTime c/o Cunningham Recreation of Charlotte, NC.]

AGENDA AND WE WILL DISCUSS THOSE SO IF YOU'LL DO AHH AND THEN TAKE MOTION AND A SECOND ON H AND THEN DISCUSS THAT ADAM AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH APPROVED THE INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CHARLTON POLLARD PARK. HOWEVER UH, ALSO MOVED THAT WE, UM. THAT WE REPLACE THE ALLOCATION FOR EQUIPMENT FOR BABE ZAHARIAS PARK. TO GO INTO ROGERS PARK. SECOND THAT REQUEST. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR STATE IT ONE MORE TIME SO THAT TINA IS CLEAR IN IT. EXCUSE ME. CITY CLERKS CLEARING IT. I UH, ASKED THAT WE CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CHARLTON POLLARD PARK, BUT THAT WE RE ALLOCATE THE FUNDING FOR THE EQUIPMENT FOR BABE ZAHARIAS PARK TO GO TO ROGERS PARK. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. SO UH, ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT.

COUNCILMAN GETS THEN COUNCILMAN TURNER. SO THIS ALLOCATION FOR FUNDING. FOR BABE ZAHARIAS PARK FOR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OVER THERE. AH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING BOB WAS NOT ASKED BY CITIZENS. I WAS NOT ASKED BY THE CURRENT PARKS DIRECTOR THAT WAS PUT IN AT A PRIOR TIME. I'M ASKING THAT WE CONSIDER REALLOCATING THAT FUNDING FOR A SHELTER. TO GO AT ROGERS PARK. ROGERS PARK IS PROBABLY THE MOST HEAVENLY UTILIZED PARKING BEAUMONT. AND CURRENTLY THERE IS NO SHELTER. THERE THERE IS A GAZEBO, WHICH I'VE GIVEN YOU. A PICTURES OF WHICH IS BARELY BIG ENOUGH FOR ONE PICNIC TABLE. SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT IN THE MORNINGS ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE'S A MAD DASH TO LAY CLAIM TO THE GAZEBO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH

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SHELTERS OUT THERE. AH WEST END OBAMA AWARD TOO. THERE'S ONLY THREE PARKS IN WAR TO IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE MUNICIPAL ATHLETIC COMPLEX AND ROGERS PARK. IS A NEED OF SOME CARE AND HELP INCLUDED ALSO IN THE BACK OF THAT I GAVE YOU SOME PICTURES OF SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW BADLY DETERIORATED IT IS. THERE IS NO BIG DEMAND TO USE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND PAVES THE HAIRIEST PART. IN FACT, THE PARK IS RARELY USED, EXCEPT ON SUNDAYS WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE PLAYING SOCCER. AH, THE REST OF THE WEEK. IT'S PRETTY MUCH EMPTY. SO WITH WITH THAT, I THINK THAT WE COULD BETTER UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS TO, UH, PUT A SHELTER AT ROGERS PARK SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT A LIVE AROUND THERE AND THAT UTILIZED ROGERS PARK WILL HAVE SOMETHING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IT SPROUT PARK IN APRIL, UH, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST, AND, UH, VENDOR THAT'S CAPABLE OF DOING THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION. COUNCILMAN TURNER. UH YES, MR WILLIAMS. IS IT POSSIBLE THE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING? I KNOW WE HAVE A PARK IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT A MASTER PLAN. IS IT WISE THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE THE MASTER PLAN THROUGH? YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO MAKING BIG ALLEGATIONS IN THE FUTURE FOR FUNDING IN THESE PARKS. I KNOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO AND BUDGET SEASON AND THE PORK FUNDING IS COMING UP AGAIN. BUT WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE MASTER PLAN IN FRONT OF US PRIOR TO ALLOCATING FUNDS AND PICKING OUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL FINANCIAL YEAR. YES COUNCIL MEMBER FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I WANT THIS YEAR. WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS A PARKS MASTER PLAN THE FORMATION OF ONE SO IT'S BUDGETED. IT TOO. FOR FORMULATION, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY BE 67 MONTHS OR SO BEFORE IT'S COMPLETE AFTER THE BUDGET, APPROVED AND PUT IN PLACE AFTER OCTOBER, 1 YEAH. AND MY SECOND FOLLOW UP. QUESTION TO THAT IS MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE FREQUENTLY VISITED PARTS LIKE WE KNOW. IN BEAUMONT. WE HAVE PARKS THAT ARE VISITED A LOT MORE THAN OTHERS. AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE HAVE TWO PARKS ON HERE WITH NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. THE AREN'T FREQUENTLY VISITED AND THAT WOULD BECOME BEST PARK AND BABES ARE HERRIOT'S SUPPORT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE LOGICAL IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE FUNDING TO PARKS TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT TO THE PARKS THAT ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED THE MOST, AND THEN WE KIND OF CAN FILTER OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THE REST OF THEM. THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER GETS THE SAME, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE MORE LOGICAL TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING TO THE PARKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED CONSISTENTLY, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. WELL AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE OVER THESE DOLLARS. THANK THE MONEY WAS EDUCATED ALLOCATED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, THE 1.374 MILLION AND THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE PLAYING OR LIST OF PROJECTS TO DO, UH, WITH THESE DOLLARS, UH, FEBRUARY WAS FINALLY APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL, THAT LIST OF PROJECTS AND WHAT TO DO SO IT WASN'T IT WAS THOROUGHLY DEBATED. AND OF COURSE, THINGS CHANGE, AND WE REALIZED THINGS CHANGE. SO UM, WHATEVER THE PLACES THE COUNCIL WAS, IT'S FINE WITH US. THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN IS IN THE BUDGET WE ANTICIPATED BEING IN A AND IN THAT WILL HELP YOU BETTER AS A PLANNING DOCUMENT IN THE FUTURE. COUNCILMAN FELL. SHAW AND THEN COUNCILMAN DURIO SAMUEL MAYOR, OUR AND OUR CITY MANAGER. CAN SOMEONE ON THE STAFF SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE DECISION TO PUT THIS EQUIPMENT AT BABIES R. HARRIS PARK THE NEED FOR IT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION? CAN WE JUST COMPARE THE TWO PARTS THE TWO NEEDS AND SPEAK TO IT? BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU? I NEVER GO TO BABYSIT HARRIS PARK AND USE THEIR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND IS. CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO THAT AND THEN NUMBER TWO. IF WE DO THIS WITH THE MONEY IS ALLOCATED TO BABIES. A HARRIS WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT TO DO WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE DONE AT ROGERS PARK? AND WE HAVE A WITH US, KENNETH RIG IT AND MAYBE BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS, HE CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE. WE'RE JUST TO SPEAK ON WHAT COUNCILMAN GETS IT. THE DECISION FOR BABES OF HARRIS IS ACTUALLY IN PLACE BEFORE I CAME, UH OVER AS A PARK DIRECTOR. BUT HONESTLY SPEAKING, I THINK THAT PARK WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH JUST SWING SETS. WE CAN PUT THOSE IN FOR I THINK OF RIGHT AROUND $22,000 IF WE WANT TO GO WITH ADDING SOME TYPE OF PLAYGROUND OR EQUIPMENT FOR KIDS TO PLAY ON WHILE THEY'RE THERE.

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IT'S TRUE. SUNDAY IS THE BIGGEST DAY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE. UH MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. VERY FEW PEOPLE THEY GO OUT. SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT PUSHING FOR BABIES, HARRIS TO GET A FULL PLAYGROUND. I THINK THE MONEY COULD BE USED SOMEWHERE ELSE. COULD YOU? UH WHAT ARE YOU BASING THAT STATEMENT ON THAT YOU FEEL LIKE SWING SETS WOULD BE THAT WOULD GIVE THE KID THAT WOULD GIVE THE KIDS SOMETHING TO USE IF THEY WANTED TO UTILIZE THE PLAYGROUND OF SOME OR SOME TYPE OF PLAY EQUIPMENT. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT THE SOCCER IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT GOES ON OUT THERE. IF YOU GO OUT THERE ON SUNDAY, EVERYONE IS RUNNING AROUND WITH A SOCCER BALL, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT PLAYING ON A TEAM ITSELF. LITTLE KIDS 234 YEARS OLD ARE RUNNING AROUND PLAYING WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF YOUR OPINION THAT THE EQUIPMENT WOULD NOT BE USED BECAUSE OF THE FUNCTION OF THAT THAT AREA WITH THE SOCCER AND SO FORTH. I WOULD SAY THAT AND CAN WE? CAN YOU ANSWER THE SECOND QUESTION WHERE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SURE THERE'S BEEN NO STUDY DONE ON WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO A SHELTER AT THE ROGERS PARK? OR DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE SIMILAR TO ONE THAT'S BROUGHT PARK KEITH FOLSOM FACILITIES MAINTENANCE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN ME. KEITH MIGHT HAVE SOME HISTORY OVER PREVIOUS SHELTER THAT WE'VE DONE SO HE WOULD BE BETTER TO ADDRESS THAT.

THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. WE MAKE IT. I DIDN'T COME PREPARED FOR THAT. BUT I THINK WE WERE WE HAD BUDGETED LIKE 150,000. FOR SPOT PARK. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO A SIMILAR SIZE AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A 35 44 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL. I'M A BIT CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT JUST MAKING, UM, DECISIONS WITHOUT HAVING AN ASSESSMENT OF COSTS AS WELL AS THE USAGE AND EACH ONE OF THE PARKS AND, UM. WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE MIDST OF SUMMER. WE DON'T HAVE. A FULL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR PARKS. MAGNOLIA PARK. MAKE NO YOUR POOL. IS NOT OPERABLE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL SHOULD HAVE JUST APPEARED. WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO OPEN OUR PARKS. WE CAN CONTINUE ON AND CONTINUE TO MAKE KNEE JERK DECISIONS. UH JUST ON A AN EMOTION OR WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THE JOB AS IT SHOULD BE. BABE ZAHARIAS PARKS IS THE MOST VISIBLE PARK. IN THE CITY OF BEAUMONT. IT'S USED BY HUNDREDS. AT A TIME. IT'S. MORE LIKE A SPECIALTY PARK FOR SOCCER . BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE OUT THERE WITH SOCCER. THEY ALSO HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN WITH THEM. TO SAY THERE IS NO NEED FOR A PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT BABE ZAHARIAS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OPINION THAT COULD BE DEBATED. BUT WE DON'T KNOW. WE DO KNOW WHERE WE HAVE NEEDS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON NOW. MY I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS WOULD BE GETTING SWIMMING POOL OPEN. IT'S SUMMERTIME. ONE POOL. SO I AM NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A NEED OF ROGERS PARK. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT ARGUING WHAT IT SHOULD BE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USAGE IS, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONLY ONE PAVILION. THERE'S A NEED FOR ANOTHER, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION A WEEK. WHEN IT COMES UP AND MAKE A DECISION WITHIN A WEEK. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WE HAVE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SET IN PLACE FOR MONTHS FOR YEARS. WE HAVE A BUDGET PROCESS THAT THERE ARE THINGS WAITING ON THE BUDGET IN THE BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY'RE NOT DONE. SO FOR US TO JUST COME UP AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS AT A PARK THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT PARK WAS RECOMMENDED, BUT IT HAD TO BE SOME LOGIC. HMM AND IF ANYTHING , I WOULD SAY, BRING THIS BACK TO THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK. AND LET US MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION

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BASED ON THE USAGE IN THE PARKS, THE COST THAT IT WOULD TAKE AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE. BUT AT THIS TIME JUST SAYING WELL, LET'S NOT USE THE FUNDS FOR BABY ZAHARIAS PART.

LET'S SEND IT TO ROGERS PARK. I'M UH, I DISAGREE WITH THAT KNEE JERK DECISION BEING PRESENTED HERE TODAY AND THEN EXPECTING US TO DO THAT, UH, IF WE SO THAT'S WHERE I AM. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SAM. COUNCILMAN NEIL WOULD LIKE TO AMEND H. TO ONLY INCLUDE CHARLTON POWERED AT THIS TIME AND HAVE BABES HERE. YES AND THEN THE OPTION FOR ROGERS PARK BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, SO THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNSEL AND GET SO MINUTE HIS MOTION. YOU SECONDED HIS MOTION , SO IN IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE AMENDED, IT WILL EITHER NEED TO BE VOTED ON AND FAILED. OR HE WOULD HAVE TO MAN. YEAH. TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AGAIN.

COUNCILMAN MILLED ONLY VOTE ON CHARLTON POLLARD PARK AT THIS TIME. NOT INCLUDING THE BABE ZAHARIAS AND FOR BABE ZAHARIAS AND ROGERS PARK TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US. WITH OPTIONS AND COST OKAY. OKAY UH, DO IT. WILL YOU PUT A TIME TO LEARN ON THAT? WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIMELINE? MR WILLIAMS? GOOD. SORRY IS THAT SOMETHING? WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION NEXT? ME WELL, TWO WEEKS. YEAH I THINK WE CAN GET THAT IN TWO WEEKS THAT AMENDMENT FOR TWO WEEKS. NO. UH I HAVE A COMMENT AND COUNCILMAN SAMUEL. I KNOW WITH THE POOL BECAUSE THERE'S I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT . AND I KNOW THAT HE, UH I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. IT WAS. IT WAS A SURPRISE TO MANY OF US IN TERMS OF THE INSPECTION IN THAT IT WAS SHUT DOWN AND WE WERE ALL WE UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE MOST OF US STILL REMEMBER BEING KIDS AND SUMMERTIME AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POOL AND THE POOL GETTING CLOSED THE DAY BEFORE, SO I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS GREATLY DISTURBED BY THAT, AS WELL AS I KNOW, I PROBABLY BELIEVE EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WAS AND, UH, PROCESSES ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE TO AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE JUST ON THAT COMMENT FOR PEOPLE HEARING ABOUT IT AND UH, MR CITY MANAGER. IS THAT. A FAIR ASSESSMENT FOR YES , FAR AS THE POOL THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON A FALL OF UNAVOIDABLE. YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP AT THE LAST SECOND IT WAS IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT PLANNED FOR BUT WE WANT TO DO THINGS TO END UP BETTER IN THE FUTURE, SO WE WON'T GET SURPRISES LIKE THAT BETTER PLANNING, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MANAGER ABOUT THAT, AND I YOU KNOW AGAIN , I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAPPEN. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. GREED. YES SIR. COUNCILMAN TURNER, THEN COUNCILMAN GETS ALL RIGHT. I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS FOR BABES OF HARRIS AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SEMI BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ROUGHLY $79,403.50. FOR THE PARK EQUIPMENT AND THE PAVILION THAT CHRIS DURIO HAD TRIED TO POWER $150,000. SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT YOU KNOW, DISCREPANCY AND FUNDS ABOUT REALLOCATING, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. AND SECONDLY, I KNOW MR WILLIAMS, MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE CAME WITH YOU ABOUT THE POOL MAGNOLIA PART WHETHER THE TIMELINE THAT WE WOULD KNOW THAT THE POOL WILL AT LEAST BE OPEN.

I KNOW IT WAS COMING UP WITHIN A FEW WEEKS. IS IT STILL ON TARGET? SOMETHING CHANGES. LET ME KNOW, KEITH, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THREE WEEK TIME PERIOD OF GETTING THAT POOL OPEN , YOU KNOW, HAD TO GET ORDERS SOME EQUIPMENT AND GET IT IN AND WHAT'S THAT EQUIPMENT HERE? WE'LL GET IT INSTALLED. SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER SAFETY ISSUES WITH SURFACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER THERE THAT NEEDS REPAIRING , AND WE'LL BE REPAIRING ALL OF THOSE THINGS, TOO. SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THREE WEEKS IF THE EQUIPMENT YET HERE YES, SIR. BUT JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DIFFERENTIATION OF THE SHELTER OVER THERE. ROGER SO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT. AND HE SAID THE COUNCIL BE OPEN MINDED TO EXPLORE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO MAKE SURE IT FITS WITHIN THE BUDGET ALREADY CREATED OR WE'RE LOOKING A INCREASE, BUT THE REALITY IS ONLY $80,000 LEFT TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE BILLION COULD BE DONE WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S OTHER OPTIONS OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT COUNCIL MEMBER GETS BECAUSE THIS WAS ALREADY ALLOCATED RIGHT HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW OPEN MINDED WE WERE, TOO. IF WE DID

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COME BACK WITH ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. HMM. COUNCILMAN GETS SO, UH, COUNCILMAN TURNER. I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING BUT I'M ALSO WANTING TO EXPRESS THE VERY REAL NEED. TO HAVE A SHELTER. ROGERS PARK.

I MEAN, WE HAVE MORE APARTMENTS. AND WAR, TOO. AND I BELIEVE ANY AREA OF THE CITY AND WE JUST SAW PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVE ANOTHER 150 APARTMENT COMPLEX YESTERDAY ON MAJOR DRIVE. EVERY ONE OF THESE APARTMENTS. LACK SOMETHING YARD. MHM. SO WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GO OR TO THE PARKS? AND WHAT THEY NEED OFTEN. IS I SHELTER AT THE PARKS. THERE ARE 15 PARKS AND WAR THREE.

THAT'S AS MUCH AS ALL THE REST OF THE CITY TOGETHER. MANY OF THOSE PARKS HAVE SHELTERS, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE CITIZENS OF WAR THREE ARE PROVIDED FOR THERE'S THREE PARKS IN WAR, TOO.

AND. ROGERS IS USED NOT JUST BY RESIDENTS OF WAR, TOO. BUT IT'S BECOME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY COME AND WE NEED A SHELTER THERE. THE NATURE REACTION IN MY OPINION. I WAS IN DECIDING TO ALLOCATE FUNDING. PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. IT'S A HAIRIEST PARK. WITHOUT ANY STUDY BEING DONE ON THE NEED. WITHOUT ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD TO DO THAT. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS PLACED IN THERE. BYE. THE CURRENT PARKS DIRECTORS PREDECESSOR. SO YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND TABLE THAT AND LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. BUT WE DO KNOW HOW MUCH A SHELTER IS GONNA COST BECAUSE WE VOTED ON ONE FOR SPROUT PARK IN APRIL, $149,000 SO WE CAN REASONABLY ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT. TO BUILD A SIMILAR SHELTER. ROGERS PARK. BECAUSE THIS PAPER ALL OF IT? NO BUT I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND THE MONEY TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. UH SO WITH THAT, UM YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING AHEAD AND VOTING ON THE INSTALLATION, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND CHILDREN POLAR PARK AND, UH, WE CAN TABLE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE FUNDING FOR BABY ZAHARIAS PARKS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR TWO WEEKS. COUNCILMAN DURIO DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING IS ABOUT? UM, I OKAY? SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR THE AMENDMENT SO THAT I'LL STATE THIS CORRECTLY SO THAT I UNDERSTAND IT. APPROVAL FOR PURCHASE OF INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CHARLTON POLLARD PARK AND THAT CURRENTLY THE BABE ZAHARIAS PARK THAT IS BEING GOING TO BE STUDIED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. UH AND SO THE ONLY APPROVAL IS FOR CHARLTON POLLARD PARK. UH IF THERE'S NO OTHER CAN I MAKE IT A SUGGESTION THAT THAT BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS THAT WE VOTE ON THE APPROVAL FOR, UM CHOPPING POLYP PARK AND THEN JUST TABLE. THE SECOND ITEM. I WELCOME YOUR SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. SO WE WILL, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE EMOTION. THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE FUNDING FOR CHARLTON POLLARD PARK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DON'T WE NEED NEW MOTIONS MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THERE WAS ALREADY AT ME YOUR MOTION DEEP. IT WAS AMENDED TO BE WHERE IT UM SO IT'S JUST SPLITTING THE MOTION. SO IT WAS AMENDED TO HAVE WHERE TOM AND PAULA PARK WILL BE APPROVED AND THAT THE BABES OF HAIRS ITEM WOULD BE TABLED. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BE A VOTE SO THAT FOR TWO WEEKS, SO THAT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE VOTES. IT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, WITH CURRENT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO VOTE FOR THE TABLING OF ONE AND THEN COME BACK AND PASS THE OTHER CORRECT. YES YES, YOU BOTH A TABLE ONE ITEM AND THEN YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THE OTHER. THE AMENDED MOTION YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? YES, SIR. SO THE ORDER IS REALLY AT THE PREFERENCE OF COUNCIL, BUT I'M JUST DOING IT FOR CLARITY OF THEM FOR THE MINUTE. ALRIGHT SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVED THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT PURCHASED FOR CHARLTON POLAR PARK. IT IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED FOR THE APPROVAL OF CHARLTON POLLARD PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE,

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AH OPPOSED MOTION PASSES FURTHER MOVE THAT WE TABLE. THE ACQUISITION IN APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR BABE ZAHARIAS PARK FOR TWO WEEKS. SECOND HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO TABLE. THE PURCHASE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR BABES AREAS FOR TWO WEEKS TO BE LOOKED AT AND BROUGHT BACK IN TWO WEEKS. ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES NOW? AH APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR COM BEST PARK IN CENTRAL PARK. FROM GAME TIME. CARE OF CUNNINGHAM RECREATION OF CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE PURCHASE INSTITUTIONALIZED AND INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CENTRAL PARK FROM GAME TIME, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS CUNNINGHAM MERCURY. CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. AND THAT WE TABLE YEAH, AND WE CAN DO IT IN TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, SO FOR THEM, SO LET LET ME JUST SAY IT. LET ME WITHDRAW THAT AND SAY THIS MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR COMBAT SUPPORT FOR TWO WEEKS. UH WE NEED A SECOND TO DISCUSS IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO TABLE . THE PURCHASE FOR COMBINE COM BEST PARK ANY DISCUSSION AND COUNCILMAN DURIO, THEN COUNCILMAN TURNER JUST WANT STAFF TO COME BACK. THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WOULD TELL US HOW MUCH COM BEST PART IS ACTUALLY USED. UH AS FAR AS THE USE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GO THERE. IT'S JUST YOU KNOW IT. IS IT WORTH THE MONEY TO VISIT WORTH THE 50 $45,000 TO REPLACE THAT STUFF IF THE PARK IS NOT BEING USED OKAY? CAT. COUNCILMAN TURNER WERE YOU NEXT ? AND THEN COUNCILMAN SAMUEL AND THEN COUNCILMAN THEN SAMUEL THAT'LL WORK TO WORK. OKAY SO THE PARKS COMMITTEE AND RECREATIONAL COMMITTEE I ATTENDED MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I ALWAYS TALK TO MY APPOINTMENTS AFTER THE MEETINGS THAT I DID THE 10. PRIOR TO US GETTING TO THE POINT OF ALLOCATING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR PARKS AND PARKS AND RECREATION. WE ARE THE COUNCIL ALL DECIDED THAT WE WERE LIKE CARPORTS COMMUNITY BE MORE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEM, MAKING THESE DECISIONS ON IMPROVING THE PARKS. AND IT ALSO SUGGESTED AT THE TIME THAT THIS COMMITTEE WITH GET ON UP, GET ON THE BUS OR TAKE A TRIP TOGETHER AND BASICALLY PUT THEIR EYES ON ALL THE PARKS COME BACK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. WITH THIS BUDGET OF WHAT THEY FEEL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THE TRIP TO LOOK AT ALL THE PARTS NEVER TOOK PLACE. THE TWO OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DID NOT COME FROM THE PARKS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS CALM BEST PARKS AND BABES OF HARRY'S REPORT. CENTRAL PARK DID COME FROM THE PARTS COMMITTEE. AS WELL AS, UH CHARLTON POLLARD, BUT MY ISSUE IS WE HAVE A COMMITTEE. AND IT WASN'T UTILIZED THE WAY HE COUNCIL DIRECTED IT TO BE UTILIZED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ABOUT THE PART. SO THAT'S WHAT'S COMING ABOUT THE CONFUSION TO WHAT WE GET TO THIS POINT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISCREPANCIES ARE. OKAY COUNCILMAN NEIL COUNCILMAN SAMUEL, THEN COUNCILMAN DURIO PROBLEM WITH COMBAT PART BEING TABLED TODAY IS WE ALREADY TOUR THAT PLAYED AROUND DOWN AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY NOT TO HAVE SOMETHING PUSHED THROUGH FOR THAT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM FURTHERMORE, LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES ON WHAT WE'RE BUYING FOR COM BEST PARK? I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN SCALE IT DOWN MUCH MORE THAN THIS. I MEAN, THIS IS PRETTY BARE BONES. STARTING TO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CAMP COUNCILMAN SAMUEL THEN DURIO THEN GETS THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN NEIL FOR THAT ASSESSMENT. UM IS IT SAFE FOR ME TO ASSUME THAT WE DO HAVE NUMBERS ON THE USAGE AT THE PARKS? AT THE VARIOUS PARKED. I'M NOT AWARE OF THOSE NUMBERS.

UM COUNCIL MEMBER AND I WOULD BE DOUBTFUL THAT YOU HAVE GOOD NUMBERS ON THE USAGE RIGHT TO THOSE PARKS. MISTER MANAGER DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT? SURE. YES WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO PUT THE RESOURCES. YOU GOT GOOD, RELIABLE DATA. TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS . SO IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HAVE, UM ACCESS

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TO, UH WILL, YOU KNOW WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO BEST. GET THAT DOWN IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CHANGE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'LL PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE AND WHAT WE CAN GET A POPULATION OF THE OF WHO'S USING THOSE PARKS AND DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE USEFUL? YES. YES. AND SOME OF THAT PROBABLY WOULD COME IN THAT PARKS. MASTER PLAN TO YOU KNOW THEY'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THAT DATA, THEY'LL COME UP WITH AN ANALYSIS OF USAGE RATES, ETCETERA WITH THE CONSULTANTS. THANK YOU, MISTER MANAGER. I APPRECIATE. AT LEAST THESE THINGS ARE COMING TO LIGHT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. COUNCILMAN DURIO JUST WANT TO COME IN ON WHAT CONSUMMATE, TURNER SAID EARLIER. IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT IT IS TIME SPLIT THAT PARK AND RECREATION COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE PARK'S DIRECTOR REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON THE FOLKS RIDING AROUND THE VISIT THE PARTS BECAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE HE GOT THERE, AND THIS WILL COME DIRECTLY UNDER HIM, SO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YEAH PARKS COMMITTEE AND A RECREATION COMMITTEE AND THAT COULD GIVE THEM PARKS DIRECTOR MORE MORE HANDS ON AND YOU COULD BE MORE INVOLVED AS FAR AS THESE DECISIONS THAT THE PARK COMMITTEE MADE. THE I SAID THEY DIDN'T EVEN DECIDE ON THE COM BEST OR THE BABY, THE HAIRIEST PARK. SO LET'S SAY AND I KNOW, UH, BEING NEW TO COUNSEL. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT UP HERE ON COUNCIL, AND I KNOW I HAVEN'T VISITED THESE PARTS RECENTLY. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE NUMBERS. AND IT MAKES SENSE IF WE HAVE ADVISORY BOARDS THAT THEY WEIGH IN, UH I WOULD. I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT YEAH, MAKING SURE THAT WE GET GOOD DATA HAVING OUR PARKS COMMITTEE WEIGH IN AND THEN HAVING INFORMATION BROUGHT TO US SO THAT HMM. THERE'S NOT ANY EMOTIONAL DECISIONS BEING MADE THAT IT IS BASED ON THE DATA THAT IS PROVIDED. YEAH JUST LIKE THAT ONE THING ON THAT, AND THIS WENT TO THE PARKS. VYDRA BOARD TWICE ASKED COUNCIL JUST TO BE AWARE OF YOUR APPOINTMENTS TO THESE BOARDS. YOU KNOW YOU CAN. YOU CAN TAKE THINGS ABOARD, BUT IT'S WHAT I DO WITH THEM. SO THAT WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO BE COUNTRY TENSIONS AND REALLY STUDY WHO YOU APPOINTED HIS BOARD AND HOW COMMITTED THEY ARE CARRYING OUT THAT MISSION. YES SIR. YES COUNCILMAN GETS JUST ECHO WHAT CITY MANAGER WILLIAM WAS JUST SAID, UH, I'VE BEEN TO EVERY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND COUNCILMAN TURNER HAS TO I BELIEVE, AND WE BOTH HAVE OBSERVED THAT THERE ARE MANY APPOINTED HIS OWN COUNSEL THAT HAVE NEVER ATTENDED , AND, UH YOU KNOW, IT'S DOING A DISSERVICE, UH, TO THE COUNCILMAN THAT APPOINTED THEM. IF THEY DON'T ATTEND BECAUSE THEIR VOICE ISN'T BEING HEARD, AND THEY'RE NOT THERE TO DO THE JOB FOR WHICH THEY ARE APPOINTED. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK THE ATTENDANCE RECORDS OF YOUR APPOINTEES AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THESE MEETINGS.

MAYBE CONSIDER. AND SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO. AH YEAH, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SAMUEL THAT I WANT TO TELL YOU THE INFORMATION ABOUT USAGE OF PARKS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AS TO GO ON AS BASICALLY ANECDOTAL. INFORMATION OF FROM US, IT'S COUNCIL MEMBERS . WE PROBABLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR WARDS AND YOU KNOW, I GO BY ROGERS PARK REGULARLY AND SEE HOW CROWDED IT IS NO, COUNCILMAN TURNER, YOU AND I. I THINK WE WENT OUT TO, UH, CALM PAST PARK AND, UH, WE DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY THEY'RE PLAYING ON. ANY WELL, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THERE TO PLAY ON. BUT UM, THERE WAS ONLY THREE PARKING SPACES THERE. AH AND TALKING TO SOME, UH, CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AH I'M TOLD AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST HEARSAY. BUT I'M TOLD THAT IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH YELLOW CHILDREN ARE, YOU KNOW PREVALENT LIKE THAT WAS WHEN THE MANGO WOOD EDITION WAS BUILT SO YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO TABLE THIS AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON IT, UH, STUDY ON IT AND FIND OUT IF YOU KNOW IT'S JUSTIFIED SPEND $50,000 PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE. OKAY AND COUNCILMAN SAMUEL? YES I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION, UM THIS WHOLE PROCESS REQUIRES THREE

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COMPONENTS. ONE CITIZENS THEMSELVES, AND MANY TIMES THAT'S DONE THROUGH AN APPOINTMENT OF REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COMMITTEE. UH THEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD HAVE A PULSED. OF THEIR OWN, UH, AREAS , BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD. I DO VALUE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOUGHTS OF STAFF. AND THE ADMINISTRATION, UH THAT MANY TIMES WE DON'T SEE THE LACK OF INPUT FROM A COMMITTEE OR THE LACK OF INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS IN AN AREA. UH, AND TO JUST SIT AND WAIT AND DO NOTHING, UH, IS WORSE THAN THE LEAST MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO DO SOMETHING MADE SOME RESOLUTIONS, SO I APPRECIATE STAFF. BUT WE HAVE TO BE, UM, AWARE THAT IT'S A BALANCE AND NO. ONE ENTITY ON ITS OWN. SHOULD BE THE DRIVING FORCE TO WHAT WE DO. THANK YOU. CAN WE, COUNCILMAN TURNER AND THEN. WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. THIS IS A THIS ONE'S QUITE DEAR TO A LOT OF US ON THIS COUNCIL, UH, FOR STAFF. CAN I GET SOME CLARITY? OH HOW THESE? AH COMMITTEES ARE SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION. UH THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO POLICE ADVISORY. THE CHAIR ACTUALLY RUNS THE MEETING AND SAYS THE STRUCTURE BEEN TO PLANNING AND ZONING. THE CHAIR KINDA RUNS THE MEETING.

I'VE BEEN TO, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OUR APPOINTMENT COMMITTEES AND THE CHAIR KIND OF RUNS THE MEETING, BUT THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS THE POINT IS SHOW UP AND STAFF KIND OF RUNS TO MEETING. I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARITY. DO THEY ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE RUN SIMILAR OR IF IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HOW ONE OF THE STRUCTURE OF IT? WELL, I GUESS. WHAT I RECOMMEND BEFORE I ANSWER THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TARYN IS WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON BOARDS AND COMMITTEES COMMISSIONED THIS COUNCIL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND IDENTIFY HOW YOU WANT THEM TO OPERATE FOR SURE TO MAKE FOR CLARITY SAKE, AND THERE WON'T BE ANY AMBIGUITY AND GUESSING THEM . WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, THE CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO RUN THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO RUN THE MEETING AND STUFF IS THERE'S A RESOURCE. PERSON YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN THERE ARE GAPS TO BE FILLED THEIR FIELDS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY'RE NOT BEING DONE, BUT TYPICALLY THE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT THIS. THEY'RE MEETING, YOU KNOW STUFF IS JUST THEIR SUPPORT. HE HAD THE REASON I WANTED TO ASK THEM FOR CLARITY. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO OTHER MEETINGS I OBSERVED, HAVE THEY BEEN RAN IN THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR ISN'T RUNNING THE SAME. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KNOW.

YEAH, THANK YOU. MAYOR YES, I WOULD SECOND YOUR CALL FOR THE QUESTION. BUT BEFORE I DO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THAT THE STAFF GET BACK TO US. LET ME BACK UP A SECOND YOUR YOUR CALL FOR THE QUESTION REGARDING TABLE AND CALM BEST PARK UNTIL LATER DATE. AT THAT TIME. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE STAFF TO GET BACK TO US TO LET US KNOW. IS THIS REALLY A PART THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED ? OR IS IT TIME PERHAPS TO LOOK AT SHUTTING THIS PART DOWN BECAUSE THIS, COUNCILMAN NEAL SAID, WE'VE ALREADY TORE. WE'VE ALREADY TORN DOWN THE EQUIPMENT AND SO EITHER WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK OR ELSE WE NEED TO REALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO ROGERS PARK TO HELP WITH THAT PROJECT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN MAYBE IT'S TIME TO CLOSE THAT PART. UH COUNCILMAN GETS SAID THAT IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD . IF THERE'S NO ONE USING THIS PARK, I'M NOT SURE IT'S WISE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOCATE MONEY TO MAINTAINING APART THAT'S NOT BEING USED. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNSEL TO APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PART THAT THE CITY OFFERS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND THEN THEIR DESTINATION PARKS . DESTINATION PARKS TYPICALLY HAVE MORE. UH AVENUES FOR PARKING AND THEY HAVE MORE AMENITIES BECAUSE THEY WANT, YOU KNOW PEOPLE TO BE THERE LONGER AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS HAVE LESS PARKING AND YOU KNOW SIMILAR AMENITIES. AND SO IF YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE POPULATION IN THAT AREA IS DECREASING. WE MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE THE NEEDS OF THE PARK. THAT'S ONE THING, BUT I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT REMOVING AMENITIES FROM CITIZENS YIELD TO THAT. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE FACT OF NOT NECESSARILY PUTTING MAYBE A PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE, BUT JUST KEEPING IT IS A GREEN SPACE. HER FAMILY'S TO USE FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES. CORRECT MAYBE IT'S NO LONGER A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A LOT OF YOUNG CHILDREN, BUT MAYBE THEY HAVE. IT'S A YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PEOPLE WANT TO USE THE PARK FOR WALKING OVER, YOU KNOW, FOR EXERCISE OR JUST FOR YOU KNOW ENJOYMENT OF THEIR ANIMALS. MY REQUEST WOULD BE THE STAFF GET BACK TO US WITH A REPORT ON WHAT THEY THINK THAT, UH, THAT HOW THAT PARK SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE, AND IF IT IS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, SO BE IT.

BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT THERE, THEN FIND OTHER MONIES FOR ROGERS PARK. YES UH AND I

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KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THIS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE COMBAT SPARK. COM BEST PARK EQUIPMENT AND UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT TABLING THAT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE. WE'VE GOT THE MOTION. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. NOW THERE'S A SECOND COMPONENT OF THAT. YES MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE PURCHASE UH, INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CENTRAL PARK. IT'S BEEN MOVED IS THEIR 2ND 2ND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE PURCHASED THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CENTRAL PARK AND ALSO INSTALL IT. ANY DISCUSSION. YES COUNCILMAN GETS PROVIDED A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS PARK EQUIPMENT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UM CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS AN ACCURATE RENDITION OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT WE GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THIS THIS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE REPLACING IMAGINATION STATION IMAGINATION STATION WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITIZENS OF BEAUMONT. AND THE CITY AND YOU KNOW IT WAS REALLY A LABOR OF LOVE THAT GENERATIONS OF OUR YOUTH WENT TO AND I'VE BEEN TOLD IT WAS LIKE GOING TO DISNEYLAND TO GO TO IMAGINATION STATION. SO AS WE GET READY TO DEMOLISH THAT , REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE . I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. IS IT? I KNOW YOU HAVE CENTRAL PART OIL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC COUNCIL MEMBER GETS AS A MATTER OF FACT, TODAY, WE'LL GET IT UP ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND OTHER WAYS TO SHARE IT. WE'LL GET IT OUT. SO FOR CLARITY , WE'RE LOOKING TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL AND INSTALLATION, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP AFTERWARDS. FOR CITIZENS REVIEW NO, NO, JUST TO SEE WHAT'S GOING UP. I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL NEVER GOT WAS SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH WORKING GOOD WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED. ALRIGHT SO YES, COUNCILMAN DURING? UM CAN WE JUST LET'S DO THAT FOR ALL OF THEM AND PUT UP EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PUT UP? NOT JUST CENTRAL PARK CHARTER, ALL ALL IN NEW EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING ON.

IT SHOULD BE. SOMEWHERE WHERE THE CITIZENS CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING. YEAH WE'LL BE GLAD TO. WE'RE FIGURING IT OUT. I PROMISE. MAYOR I KNOW YOU WANT TO MOVE ON. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER COMPONENT. UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ALSO CONSIDER YOU SAY THEIR APARTMENT IN ADDITION TO THE TYPE OF PARK IN THAT COMMUNITY, THE OTHER THING IS THERE COULD BE PARKED SUCH AS COMMENTS WHERE THERE'S NOTHING FOR HIM TO GO TO, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T GO. OKAY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE. UH COMBAT PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPPED. NO THE PURCHASE OF CENTRAL PARK CENTRAL PARK AND INSTALLATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. AH, ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. CITY MANAGER. MAY WE HAVE THE READING

[1. Council consider a resolution authorizing the City Manager to accept maintenance, and authorize final payment to To-Mex Construction, LLC, of Houston, for the Calder Place from Wheat Drive to Brentwood Drive Emergency Repair Project.]

ABOUT? UM, NUMBER ONE? YES. MAYOR COUNCIL CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT MAINTENANCE AND AUTHORIZED FOUND PAYMENT TO MIX CONSTRUCTION LLC OF HOUSTON FOR THE CALL TO PLACE FROM WHEAT DRIVE TO BRENTWOOD DRIVE EMERGENCY REPAIR PROJECT BACK IN DECEMBER, A RESOLUTION WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL WHICH YOUR WATER AND EMERGENCY CONTRACT TO THIS TO MEXICAN INSTRUCTION COMPANY IN THE MATTER, 1 26,050. FOR THIS PROJECT. PREVIOUS CHANGE ORDERS NUMBER ONE AND TWO IN THE AMOUNT OF 63,200 ALSO A PART OF THIS PROJECT AND ACCEPTANCE OF MAINTENANCE AND PHONE PAYMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 63,202 RECOMMENDED FOR THIS, UH, PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THREAD RESOLUTION BY STAFF. OKAY IS THERE A MOTION FOR ADAM NUMBER ONE? MOVED TO APPROVE. SECOND IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCILMAN DURIO SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUESTS. ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF

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THE MOTION. UH FOR APPROVING ADAM, NUMBER ONE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ANY OPPOSED MOST

[2. Council consider a resolution approving the purchase of Zetron Max Fire Station Alerting system by BearCom of Beaumont, TX for $697,700.]

IMPASSES. CITY MANAGER. MAY WE HAVE THE READING OF ADAM? NUMBER TWO COUNCIL CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF Z TRON MAX. FIRST STATION ALERTING SYSTEM FOR BACK COMMA. BEAUMONT TEXAS FOR $697,700. YES FIVE USES THIS FOR DISPATCHING AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE FIRING M S DEPARTMENT. UH CURRENTLY IS HE TRYING EQUIPMENT? UH TRYING EQUIPMENT IS AT THE END OF HIS LIFE AND HIS NEEDS REPLACING. UH WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THIS SYSTEM AS IT THAT'S THE BEST TO COMPLY WITH. I SO STATE STANDARDS AND IT'S FUN AND COMES FROM CAPITAL RESERVE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDED RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL? IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO MOVED TO APPROVE. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED ANY DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN TURNER. I NOTICED THAT THIS EQUIPMENT IS STATING FOR APPROVING AND PURCHASING FIRE ALERTING SYSTEM.

WE HAD A FEW CITIZENS THAT HAVE CAME FORWARD ABOUT SOME TYPE OF ALERT SYSTEM OR HORN FOR STORMS . UH I'M ACTUALLY OUT OF IGNORANCE. THERE'S THIS ANYWHERE RELATABLE, OR COULD IT ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ASKED FOR? IS THIS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? IT'S STRICTLY WITHIN THE FIRE STATIONS. IT WON'T BE HURT ANYWHERE ELSE. IT'S TO ALERT FIREFIGHTERS WHEN FIRE CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN ME, BUT, UM , IT'S TO ALERT FIREFIGHTERS WHEN THEY HAVE A CALL, SO THEY'LL IT'LL WAKE THEM UP. IT'LL RAISE THE DOORS. IT'LL TURN ON THE LIGHTS. IT'LL GET THEM READY TO GO OUT ON A CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, CHIEF WHITE YES, THAT IS CORRECT STRICTLY FOR INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS OR RECEIVED 911 CALLS. WE CAN ACTUALLY SEPARATE THOSE CALLS TO THE SPECIFIC FIRE STATION AND CONTROL IT INTERNALLY. OKAY THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AH OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. MANAGER WOULD YOU PLEASE READ

[3. Council consider a resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute Change Order No. 1 for the Art Museum of Southeast Texas Roof Replacement Project located at 500 Main Street.]

ADAM? NUMBER THREE COUNCIL CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ALL THE NUMBER ONE. FOR THE ART MUSEUM OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECT LOCATED AT 500 MAIN ST. UH WE HAD SOME, UH PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL APPROVED ON THE WHITE FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF MEMBRANE ON THE ART MUSEUM OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS AND THE AMOUNT OF 20 $91,408. YEAH THERE'S UM THIS IS A, UM, CHANGE ORDER RESOLUTION. FIRE. ONE I KNOW NOT 1008 160,010 CENT. UH WE'RE JUST HALTED IN TOTAL CONTRACT PRICE OF 14 91,000. THIS FUNDING WOULD COME FROM CAPITAL RESERVE AND INSURANCE CLAIM PROPERTY INSURANCE CLAIM FORM AND STANFORD'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION. IS THERE A MOTION FOR AUTUMN NUMBER THREE MOVE TO APPROVE. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION 1ST AND 2ND IN ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, COUNCILMAN TURNER. MR MANAGER, X THIS IN THE PAST, AND, UH, SEE THIS CHANGE ORDERS, ALMOST A 40% INCREASE OF THE ORIGINAL BID. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO IT TO PUT IN PLACE FROM THE CITY'S BEHALF TO KINDA LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECTION. WITH THESE CHANGES ALL THIS. SOMETIMES WE CAN GET UP TO FOUR AND FIVE, AND IT'S LIKE THEY'RE BIDDING FOR A CONTRACT, AND IT'S ALMOST SOMETIMES DOUBLE AND TRIPLE WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING AWARDED. SO WE'RE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT HOW WE DO OUR CONTRACTS FOR BOTH CONSTRUCTION, AND, UM, WE'RE PIERRE WORK IN THE CITY, UM WITH THE CONSTRUCTION LAWYER, AND IT MAY BE A WAY TO KIND OF OFFSET THAT AND SO I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP THE MEETING. IT'S FRIDAY, HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. BUT I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT SOMETIMES WHEN WE DO THE BEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE AIR, AND THE TIME THAT WE'RE IN NOW WE'RE BIDDING AND REQUESTING A STAR. CERTAIN MATERIAL. AND WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE, EXPECTING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT MATERIAL AND IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN THAT GETS SOMETIMES INCREASE THE PRICE OF THE CONTRACT. UM SOMETIMES THEY USE LESS MATERIAL AND ON THE BACK END OF THE CONTRACT. WE'RE DOING ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER TO REDUCE THE CONTRACT PRICE. BUT IN SOME IN MOST OF THE CASES, A LOT OF OUR CONTRACT PRICES HAVE BEEN INCREASED, BASED ON THE UNAVAILABILITY TO GET THE QUANTITY OR THE MATERIALS THAT WE BID FOR. YES, MA'AM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE DONE A FEW PROJECTS MYSELF. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT. IF YOU CAN KEEP GETTING

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THOSE CHANGE ORDERS, AND NOBODY'S STOPPING YOU, YOU CAN GET RIDICULOUS. SO I'VE SEEN SOMETIMES I GO UP TO FOUR AND FIVE CHANGE ON THIS, AND THAT'S KIND OF ALARMING. AND CONCERNING TO ME. THIS ONE IS THE FIRST ONE. BUT WE HAVE THEM COME TO US WEEKLY AND IT'S JUST CONCERNING TO ME. SO LIKE I SAID FRIDAY, WILL WILL BE MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT. COME UP WITH IMPOSSIBLE THINGS, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE COUNSEL ON THE OUTCOME. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KNEELED THEN COUNCILMAN GUESTS FAMILIAR, MR FOLSOM. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG , BUT IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE ADDITIONAL DAMAGE GASSMAN TURNER UNTIL YOU REMOVE THE MEMBRANE.

YEAH. AND WHAT THIS CHANGE ORDER IS A CHANGE IN THE SCOPE ONCE THE INSURANCE ADJUSTER AND HIS CONSULTANT GOT INVOLVED IN IT. THEY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE CHANGE AND REPLACE THE INSULATION BOARD. IT WAS UNDERNEATH THE CURRENT MEMBRANE , WHICH IS A RESULT IN TAKING THE CURRENT ROOF MEMBRANE ALL DOWN TO THE DAY COMING BACK WITH NEW INSULATION. SO GOING OFF OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S WHAT RESULTED IN THIS CHANGE ORDER. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN GETS COUNCIL MEMBER NEIL HAD THE SAME QUESTION THAT I AM SO OR COPY IT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM. NUMBER THREE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE AH! ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. MAY WE HAVE THE READING ABOUT? UM, NUMBER FOUR. MR CITY MANAGER

[4. Council consider a resolution authorizing the City Manager to award a contract to Brystar Contracting, Inc., of Beaumont, for the Long Street Emergency Cavity Repair Project.]

COUNCIL CONSIDERED RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO WATER CONTRACT TO BRASS STAR CONTRACTING INC OF BEAUMONT FOR THE LONGSTREET EMERGENCY CAVITY REPAIR PROJECT. THIS IS THE EMERGENCY PROJECT THAT'S OVER BY THE RAILS ON LONG STREET. AH AND IF APPROVED THIS CONTRACT AMOUNT OR NEW CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH THE $643,209 AND WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, AND STAFFERS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION. IS THERE. A MOTION FOR ADAM NUMBER FOUR? DON'T MOVE FOR APPROVAL THERE A 2ND 2ND. SPEND MOVED AND SECONDED ANY DISCUSSION FOR ADAM, NUMBER FOUR. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADAM. NUMBER FOUR. POLICE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, UH , ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. AT THE CLOSE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE COUNCIL WILL HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS TO CONSIDER MATTERS RELATING TO THE DELIBERATION OF THE PURCHASE , EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 551.07. OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. TO WIT, THE DOWNTOWN HOTEL CONSIDER MATTERS RELATED TO CONTEMPLATED OR PENDING LITIGATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 551.071. OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. THE CLAIM OF VINCENT FOR TITA AND JAMES MATTHEW VERSUS THE CITY OF BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CALLS NUMBER A 192.887. 22-0190. 09-23. DASH 00197 CV. THEN 09-20 DASH 0 0 5 3 DASH C V AND A DASH 192887, A

[ Discuss possible changes to the meeting format to increase efficiency of the meeting. ]

[ Discuss changing the City Council meeting time.]

. WE ARE NOW DONE WITH OUR REGULAR AGENDA ATOMS AT THIS TIME WE WERE GOING TO GO INTO A DISCUSSION ADAMS AND THERE ARE TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION THAT ARE OWNED THE. AGENDA DISCUSSED POSSIBLE CHANGES TO MEETING FORMAT TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY OF THE MEETING. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFTER I DISCUSSING WITH STAFF THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING UP THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE VOTE DOWN THE ROAD, UH THE FIRST WOULD BE MOVED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE AT THE END TO THE BEGINNING FOR DAYS, SUCH AS TODAY THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS A DESIRE TO COME AND INVITE COUNCIL OR TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT AN UPCOMING EVENT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING TO DO SO. AH AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS. AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ALL THE ITEMS THAT WOULD LIKE ALSO OTHER, UH, WE'VE GOT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND B I S D AS WELL AS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES. THERE'S PREREGISTRATION SYSTEMS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS, OFTENTIMES WITH REQUIRING REGISTRATION UP TO THE DAY BEFORE IT LIKE 4 30, WHICH CAN BE DONE ONLINE OR IN PERSON. THROUGH CITY HALL. THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT, AND SO THAT

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PEOPLE CAN'T IF WE HAVE AN ATOM THAT THERE'S PERHAPS 50 PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM.

IF WE WERE GOING TO ALLOW THREE MINUTES EACH, THAT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLY LONG MEETING JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT, AND WE CAN GET THOSE POINT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF COMMENT TIME TO ONE MINUTE AND IT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER CONTROL OF HOW LONG MEETINGS WITH LAST TWO PROVED EFFICIENCY.

AH ALSO MOVED THE DISCUSSION OF AGENDA BEFORE THE MOTION TO GET MORE CLARITY ON PROPOSALS TO AVOID AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION AS WE'VE HAD TODAY, WE'VE HAD AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND, THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND WE CONTINUE AND WE END UP AMENDING THE ORIGINAL MOTION SEVERAL TIMES IN, UH AGAIN. THIS IS IN CONVERSATION WITH STAFF THAT IF WE COULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ITEMS, PERHAPS FROM THE BEGINNING, WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCILORS WANTING TO GO. ANOTHER ATOM.

THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THIS. AH MOVING PROCLAMATIONS TO THE 1ST AND 3RD 3RD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AND WITH THAT I'M ALSO PROPOSING GUY THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES THAT WILL BE EMAILED TO Y'ALL FOR REVIEW. THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES FOR PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE IS WELL, CURRENTLY YOU CAN ASK FOR A PROCLAMATION. BUT THERE'S NOT GUIDELINES FOR IT, AND IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN THE MAYOR'S PREROGATIVE. ON WHAT HOW THOSE ARE AWARDED THIS WAY. IT WOULD CREATE A FIELD THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO UNDERSTAND WHO WHAT QUALIFIES FOR PROCLAMATION. WORK QUALIFIES FOR RECOGNITION AND PEOPLE. WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THOSE APPLICATION, IT GIVES THEM MORE INSTRUCTIONS. AND UH AND LAST IS IN TERMS OF MOVING THE MEETINGS TO 5 P.M. TO CREATE GREATER ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC. AND WITH THAT, PROPOSING THAT THE PROCLAMATIONS WHEN THERE ARE PROCLAMATIONS THAT THEY BE DONE AT THREE OR 3 30, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT WE POST THAT AS WELL AS EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE BEGIN WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN GO INTO THE PUBLIC MEETING. SO THOSE ARE PROPOSALS CERTAINLY OPEN TO MORE PROPOSALS AND OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON THAT. YES YES, SIR. THE LAST ONE YOU SAID, UH, WITH EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. YES, SIR. OKAY? COUNCILMAN GAS AND COUNCILMAN DURIO. UM I GUESS IT'S MIGHT BE FOR SHERRY OR CHRIS OR SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE WHILE BUT DIDN'T THE IN THE PAST? WAS THERE NOT UH, PROCEDURE WHERE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS FIRST, AND THEN WE CHANGED IT. UH SO THAT WE HAD THE MOTION TO SECOND AND THEN DISCUSSION. AND IF SO, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT? AND WHY WOULD WE CONSIDER GOING BACK? TINA'S BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND AS A CITY CLERK, SHE COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU, BUT HONESTLY, AT THE TIME IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS TO HAVE A MORE ORDERLY MEETING SO THAT WE WOULDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EITHER DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL. SO THE MOTION PLUS A SECOND AT LEAST SAID THAT COUNCIL WAS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCUSSING THAT ITEM. UM I THINK WITH THE MAYOR'S PROPOSING IS TO GO BACK, UM, SIMILAR TO A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AT LEAST SOME DISCUSSION. PRIOR TO MAKING EMOTION AND THEN MAKE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, AND IF THERE'S DISCUSSION, THE DISCUSSION WOULD THEN BE LIMITED TO THE MOTION, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETIMES COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS.